Discourse


#1

Hi All,

One of the things I noticed with oldham hackspace is that they use
discourse instead of a mailing list

I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on it / any thoughts if it would
be a better alternative to the mailing list here
From what I understand it needs to be installed onto a server to use it
(since cloud hosting isn’t free) via docker
and I have no idea what the current hackspace server’s state is in or even
if it could be installed

But it appears to have support for emailing out messages


Many Thanks
Richard


#2

Discourse sounds like a good idea, I’ve used it a few times.

With regards to the hosting if you, the hackspace or anyone else needs some resources I’ve got a server colo’d at M247 and a /24 announced via BGP so plenty of IP space available. More than happy to offer some physical resources for free :slight_smile:


#3

Happy to discuss but not sure the timing is right for moving. There are things far higher up our priority list.

tamarisk

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t: @notquitehere> On 19 Jun 2016, at 21:28, Ryan Hewson ryan@rmlh.me wrote:

Discourse sounds like a good idea, I’ve used it a few times.

With regards to the hosting if you, the hackspace or anyone else needs some resources I’ve got a server colo’d at M247 and a /24 announced via BGP so plenty of IP space available. More than happy to offer some physical resources for free :slight_smile:


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#4

I like the idea of moving to discourse, or at least setting up a test
instance of it somewhere to evaluate.

However it would mean switching out a rather large piece of Hackspace
infrastructure, with all the inertia that entails.

Best option would be for someone to take the lead on setting up a test
instance for everyone to play with, then we can all have a look and see if
it’s worth switching across.

-BobOn 19 Jun 2016 9:23 p.m., “‘garlicbread (Richard)’ via Hackspace Manchester” hacman@googlegroups.com wrote:

Hi All,

One of the things I noticed with oldham hackspace is that they use
discourse instead of a mailing list

I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on it / any thoughts if it would
be a better alternative to the mailing list here
From what I understand it needs to be installed onto a server to use it
(since cloud hosting isn’t free) via docker
and I have no idea what the current hackspace server’s state is in or even
if it could be installed

But it appears to have support for emailing out messages


Many Thanks
Richard

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#5

To be honest it doesn’t look too different from telegram, and email clients
that I use group conversations already (as does google groups I think) -
it’s just another site for me to check and log in to, and another tech to
bewilder new non-tech members as far as I can see. Where’s the benefit, and
is it just somthing new and shiny to lust after?

Thanks,
ChrisOn Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Bob Clough parag0n@ivixor.net wrote:

I like the idea of moving to discourse, or at least setting up a test
instance of it somewhere to evaluate.

However it would mean switching out a rather large piece of Hackspace
infrastructure, with all the inertia that entails.

Best option would be for someone to take the lead on setting up a test
instance for everyone to play with, then we can all have a look and see if
it’s worth switching across.

-Bob
On 19 Jun 2016 9:23 p.m., “‘garlicbread (Richard)’ via Hackspace Manchester” hacman@googlegroups.com wrote:

Hi All,

One of the things I noticed with oldham hackspace is that they use
discourse instead of a mailing list
http://discourse.hackoldham.com/

I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on it / any thoughts if it
would be a better alternative to the mailing list here
From what I understand it needs to be installed onto a server to use it
(since cloud hosting isn’t free) via docker
and I have no idea what the current hackspace server’s state is in or even
if it could be installed

But it appears to have support for emailing out messages
http://discourse.mcneel.com/t/mailing-list-mode-for-discourse/5763
https://blog.discourse.org/2014/04/install-discourse-in-under-30-minutes/

Many Thanks
Richard


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#6

I also would like to know the benefits. I do struggle with mailing lists
and clients as it is. To my undying shame I never bothered to truly learn

  • I’ve always had other things take priority.

Cheers,

AlexOn 20 June 2016 at 11:39, Chris Hilliard badspyro@gmail.com wrote:

To be honest it doesn’t look too different from telegram, and email
clients that I use group conversations already (as does google groups I
think) - it’s just another site for me to check and log in to, and another
tech to bewilder new non-tech members as far as I can see. Where’s the
benefit, and is it just somthing new and shiny to lust after?

Thanks,
Chris

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Bob Clough parag0n@ivixor.net wrote:

I like the idea of moving to discourse, or at least setting up a test
instance of it somewhere to evaluate.

However it would mean switching out a rather large piece of Hackspace
infrastructure, with all the inertia that entails.

Best option would be for someone to take the lead on setting up a test
instance for everyone to play with, then we can all have a look and see if
it’s worth switching across.

-Bob
On 19 Jun 2016 9:23 p.m., “‘garlicbread (Richard)’ via Hackspace Manchester” hacman@googlegroups.com wrote:

Hi All,

One of the things I noticed with oldham hackspace is that they use
discourse instead of a mailing list
http://discourse.hackoldham.com/

I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on it / any thoughts if it
would be a better alternative to the mailing list here
From what I understand it needs to be installed onto a server to use it
(since cloud hosting isn’t free) via docker
and I have no idea what the current hackspace server’s state is in or
even if it could be installed

But it appears to have support for emailing out messages
http://discourse.mcneel.com/t/mailing-list-mode-for-discourse/5763
https://blog.discourse.org/2014/04/install-discourse-in-under-30-minutes/

Many Thanks
Richard


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#7

With telegram we lack history, so if something gets talked about it can
then get forgotten
(when I mentioned discourse in telegram I was told to raise it on the
mailing list for this reason)
in other words telegram = fancier version of irc

discourse seems to have history in the same way the mailing list does
but it also has the benefits you get with a forum (sort of like a forum /
mailing list hybrid)
In that it separates out the messages into groups, with a fancy web front
end for attaching videos / images etc

So for example you might have one group for notifications about Farnell
orders, which some would be interested in but others would ignore
You could also subscribe to a group in such a way that you get an email
whenever there’s a new message just within that group (or just view it via
the web gui)

As another example if you want to see all messages from everywhere, there’s
a Latest Tab on the top
This sorts all new messages in chronological order from latest at the top
to oldest at the bottom, similar to the current mailing list view under
Google Groups

I think the main difference between discourse and a mailing list is it’s
filtering ability, using groups and categories instead of the subject line
for filtering.On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 11:39:32 AM UTC+1, badspyro wrote:

To be honest it doesn’t look too different from telegram, and email
clients that I use group conversations already (as does google groups I
think) - it’s just another site for me to check and log in to, and another
tech to bewilder new non-tech members as far as I can see. Where’s the
benefit, and is it just somthing new and shiny to lust after?

Thanks,
Chris

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Bob Clough <par...@ivixor.net <javascript:>> wrote:

I like the idea of moving to discourse, or at least setting up a test
instance of it somewhere to evaluate.

However it would mean switching out a rather large piece of Hackspace
infrastructure, with all the inertia that entails.

Best option would be for someone to take the lead on setting up a test
instance for everyone to play with, then we can all have a look and see if
it’s worth switching across.

-Bob
On 19 Jun 2016 9:23 p.m., “‘garlicbread (Richard)’ via Hackspace Manchester” <hac...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>> wrote:

Hi All,

One of the things I noticed with oldham hackspace is that they use
discourse instead of a mailing list
http://discourse.hackoldham.com/

I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on it / any thoughts if it
would be a better alternative to the mailing list here
From what I understand it needs to be installed onto a server to use it
(since cloud hosting isn’t free) via docker
and I have no idea what the current hackspace server’s state is in or
even if it could be installed

But it appears to have support for emailing out messages
http://discourse.mcneel.com/t/mailing-list-mode-for-discourse/5763
https://blog.discourse.org/2014/04/install-discourse-in-under-30-minutes/

Many Thanks
Richard


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#8

With telegram we lack history, so if something gets talked about it can
then get forgotten
(when I mentioned discourse in telegram I was told to raise it on the
mailing list for this reason)
in other words telegram = fancier version of irc

Agreed to some extent, but we can have history, and you can scroll back
quite a way on telegram - and we could likely capture it all with a bot
anyhow. Regardless, telegram should be a chat room, not really for airing
long term plots to build an empire. That’s what email is for. Merging the
two is likely to irritate both groups of users.

discourse seems to have history in the same way the mailing list does
but it also has the benefits you get with a forum (sort of like a forum /
mailing list hybrid)
In that it separates out the messages into groups, with a fancy web front
end for attaching videos / images etc

Soooo you mean kinda exactly like gmail? It separates emails with the same
header into conversations? And ‘fancy web front end’ sounds like somthing
shiny to lust after. Email can happily cope with links and attachments.

So for example you might have one group for notifications about Farnell
orders, which some would be interested in but others would ignore
You could also subscribe to a group in such a way that you get an email
whenever there’s a new message just within that group (or just view it via
the web gui)

Or I could filter, highlight, delete and mark as opened emails through an
email client. Once again, not exactly revolutionary.

As another example if you want to see all messages from everywhere,
there’s a Latest Tab on the top
This sorts all new messages in chronological order from latest at the top
to oldest at the bottom, similar to the current mailing list view under
Google Groups

I think the main difference between discourse and a mailing list is it’s
filtering ability, using groups and categories instead of the subject line
for filtering.

Really this sounds entirely unnecessary to me, and as I said, yet another
site to use and check, and to get our users on to. Anything this can do, an
email client can do, and would likely have to do all over again for those
of us already using that functionality (recoding filters etc). It really
sounds like somthing shiny to lust after.

Chris> On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 11:39:32 AM UTC+1, badspyro wrote:

To be honest it doesn’t look too different from telegram, and email
clients that I use group conversations already (as does google groups I
think) - it’s just another site for me to check and log in to, and another
tech to bewilder new non-tech members as far as I can see. Where’s the
benefit, and is it just somthing new and shiny to lust after?

Thanks,
Chris

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Bob Clough par...@ivixor.net wrote:

I like the idea of moving to discourse, or at least setting up a test
instance of it somewhere to evaluate.

However it would mean switching out a rather large piece of Hackspace
infrastructure, with all the inertia that entails.

Best option would be for someone to take the lead on setting up a test
instance for everyone to play with, then we can all have a look and see if
it’s worth switching across.

-Bob
On 19 Jun 2016 9:23 p.m., “‘garlicbread (Richard)’ via Hackspace Manchester” hac...@googlegroups.com wrote:

Hi All,

One of the things I noticed with oldham hackspace is that they use
discourse instead of a mailing list
http://discourse.hackoldham.com/

I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on it / any thoughts if it
would be a better alternative to the mailing list here
From what I understand it needs to be installed onto a server to use it
(since cloud hosting isn’t free) via docker
and I have no idea what the current hackspace server’s state is in or
even if it could be installed

But it appears to have support for emailing out messages
http://discourse.mcneel.com/t/mailing-list-mode-for-discourse/5763
https://blog.discourse.org/2014/04/install-discourse-in-under-30-minutes/

Many Thanks
Richard


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#9

With telegram we lack history, so if something gets talked about it can
then get forgotten
(when I mentioned discourse in telegram I was told to raise it on the
mailing list for this reason)
in other words telegram = fancier version of irc

Agreed to some extent, but we can have history, and you can scroll back
quite a way on telegram - and we could likely capture it all with a bot
anyhow. Regardless, telegram should be a chat room, not really for airing
long term plots to build an empire. That’s what email is for. Merging the
two is likely to irritate both groups of users.

I’m not sure where you got the idea of replacing telegram came from, this
is more of a replacement for the mailing list / trello.
Telegram is a live chat app it doesn’t replace that one

discourse seems to have history in the same way the mailing list does
but it also has the benefits you get with a forum (sort of like a forum /
mailing list hybrid)
In that it separates out the messages into groups, with a fancy web front
end for attaching videos / images etc

Soooo you mean kinda exactly like gmail? It separates emails with the same
header into conversations? And ‘fancy web front end’ sounds like somthing
shiny to lust after. Email can happily cope with links and attachments.

Like I said it’s more like a forum in that you have groups setup before
hand instead of relying on subject lines within emails

So for example you might have one group for notifications about Farnell

orders, which some would be interested in but others would ignore
You could also subscribe to a group in such a way that you get an email
whenever there’s a new message just within that group (or just view it via
the web gui)

Or I could filter, highlight, delete and mark as opened emails through an
email client. Once again, not exactly revolutionary.

Or not get the emails in the first place, because you might only have an
interest in cosplay vs woodwork for example or craft or welding or laser
maintenance
Effectively your creating sub-groups that you can just subscribe to
independently (or view everything)
My thoughts are if we remove the consideration of mailing everyone with
every email, it might encourage more non-telegram messages in different
areas where we can maintain history.

Telegram is good for live chat, but it’s history tends to evaporate over
time (I think the history only goes as far back as when you joined)
As a way around that there are trello lists currently setup. I see this
more of a way of merging trello / the mailing list more than anything else

As another example if you want to see all messages from everywhere, there’s

a Latest Tab on the top
This sorts all new messages in chronological order from latest at the top
to oldest at the bottom, similar to the current mailing list view under
Google Groups

I think the main difference between discourse and a mailing list is it’s
filtering ability, using groups and categories instead of the subject line
for filtering.

Really this sounds entirely unnecessary to me, and as I said, yet another
site to use and check, and to get our users on to. Anything this can do, an
email client can do, and would likely have to do all over again for those
of us already using that functionality (recoding filters etc). It really
sounds like somthing shiny to lust after.

My thoughts are it wouldn’t be something additional, instead it would
replace the existing mailing list and possibly trello
I think you could set it up so that any emails inbound to the main mailing
list address would just go into an uncatalogued group
But as Bob has said ideally we’d need to setup a demo just to see what it
does, to see if there’s any interest


#10

Trello is a to do list. I fail to see how a forum can efficiently replace that.

tamarisk

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t: @notquitehere> On 20 Jun 2016, at 20:47, ‘garlicbread (Richard)’ via Hackspace Manchester hacman@googlegroups.com wrote:

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 4:26:01 PM UTC+1, badspyro wrote:

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 3:36 PM, ‘garlicbread (Richard)’ via Hackspace Manchester hac...@googlegroups.com wrote:
With telegram we lack history, so if something gets talked about it can then get forgotten
(when I mentioned discourse in telegram I was told to raise it on the mailing list for this reason)
in other words telegram = fancier version of irc

Agreed to some extent, but we can have history, and you can scroll back quite a way on telegram - and we could likely capture it all with a bot anyhow. Regardless, telegram should be a chat room, not really for airing long term plots to build an empire. That’s what email is for. Merging the two is likely to irritate both groups of users.

I’m not sure where you got the idea of replacing telegram came from, this is more of a replacement for the mailing list / trello.
Telegram is a live chat app it doesn’t replace that one

discourse seems to have history in the same way the mailing list does
but it also has the benefits you get with a forum (sort of like a forum / mailing list hybrid)
In that it separates out the messages into groups, with a fancy web front end for attaching videos / images etc

Soooo you mean kinda exactly like gmail? It separates emails with the same header into conversations? And ‘fancy web front end’ sounds like somthing shiny to lust after. Email can happily cope with links and attachments.

Like I said it’s more like a forum in that you have groups setup before hand instead of relying on subject lines within emails

So for example you might have one group for notifications about Farnell orders, which some would be interested in but others would ignore
You could also subscribe to a group in such a way that you get an email whenever there’s a new message just within that group (or just view it via the web gui)

Or I could filter, highlight, delete and mark as opened emails through an email client. Once again, not exactly revolutionary.

Or not get the emails in the first place, because you might only have an interest in cosplay vs woodwork for example or craft or welding or laser maintenance
Effectively your creating sub-groups that you can just subscribe to independently (or view everything)
My thoughts are if we remove the consideration of mailing everyone with every email, it might encourage more non-telegram messages in different areas where we can maintain history.

Telegram is good for live chat, but it’s history tends to evaporate over time (I think the history only goes as far back as when you joined)
As a way around that there are trello lists currently setup. I see this more of a way of merging trello / the mailing list more than anything else

As another example if you want to see all messages from everywhere, there’s a Latest Tab on the top
This sorts all new messages in chronological order from latest at the top to oldest at the bottom, similar to the current mailing list view under Google Groups

I think the main difference between discourse and a mailing list is it’s filtering ability, using groups and categories instead of the subject line for filtering.

Really this sounds entirely unnecessary to me, and as I said, yet another site to use and check, and to get our users on to. Anything this can do, an email client can do, and would likely have to do all over again for those of us already using that functionality (recoding filters etc). It really sounds like somthing shiny to lust after.

My thoughts are it wouldn’t be something additional, instead it would replace the existing mailing list and possibly trello
I think you could set it up so that any emails inbound to the main mailing list address would just go into an uncatalogued group
But as Bob has said ideally we’d need to setup a demo just to see what it does, to see if there’s any interest

Chris

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 11:39:32 AM UTC+1, badspyro wrote:
To be honest it doesn’t look too different from telegram, and email clients that I use group conversations already (as does google groups I think) - it’s just another site for me to check and log in to, and another tech to bewilder new non-tech members as far as I can see. Where’s the benefit, and is it just somthing new and shiny to lust after?

Thanks,
Chris

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Bob Clough par...@ivixor.net wrote:
I like the idea of moving to discourse, or at least setting up a test instance of it somewhere to evaluate.

However it would mean switching out a rather large piece of Hackspace infrastructure, with all the inertia that entails.

Best option would be for someone to take the lead on setting up a test instance for everyone to play with, then we can all have a look and see if it’s worth switching across.

-Bob

On 19 Jun 2016 9:23 p.m., “‘garlicbread (Richard)’ via Hackspace Manchester” hac...@googlegroups.com wrote:
Hi All,

One of the things I noticed with oldham hackspace is that they use discourse instead of a mailing list
http://discourse.hackoldham.com/

I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on it / any thoughts if it would be a better alternative to the mailing list here
From what I understand it needs to be installed onto a server to use it (since cloud hosting isn’t free) via docker
and I have no idea what the current hackspace server’s state is in or even if it could be installed

But it appears to have support for emailing out messages
http://discourse.mcneel.com/t/mailing-list-mode-for-discourse/5763
https://blog.discourse.org/2014/04/install-discourse-in-under-30-minutes/

Many Thanks
Richard

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#11

Trello is a to do list. I fail to see how a forum can efficiently replace
that.

When I look at trello it’s basically a single item with a bunch of
different comments and images attached to it
with each item placed within a given group

I might be wrong but that looks very similar to the way things are
organised within discourse
(you create a topic, then just move it between different categories or
remove it)


#12

I suggest you have a glance at some of the other boards on Trello. Say, the Bugs one or the orange laser cutter one. Trello isn’t intended to be used as a discussion forum. It’s a way of keeping track of stuff that needs to be done.

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t: @notquitehere> On 20 Jun 2016, at 22:53, ‘garlicbread (Richard)’ via Hackspace Manchester hacman@googlegroups.com wrote:

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 9:34:23 PM UTC+1, tas kay wrote:
Trello is a to do list. I fail to see how a forum can efficiently replace that.

When I look at trello it’s basically a single item with a bunch of different comments and images attached to it
with each item placed within a given group

I might be wrong but that looks very similar to the way things are organised within discourse
(you create a topic, then just move it between different categories or remove it)

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On 20 Jun 2016, at 20:47, ‘garlicbread (Richard)’ via Hackspace Manchester hac...@googlegroups.com wrote:

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 4:26:01 PM UTC+1, badspyro wrote:

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 3:36 PM, ‘garlicbread (Richard)’ via Hackspace Manchester hac...@googlegroups.com wrote:
With telegram we lack history, so if something gets talked about it can then get forgotten
(when I mentioned discourse in telegram I was told to raise it on the mailing list for this reason)
in other words telegram = fancier version of irc

Agreed to some extent, but we can have history, and you can scroll back quite a way on telegram - and we could likely capture it all with a bot anyhow. Regardless, telegram should be a chat room, not really for airing long term plots to build an empire. That’s what email is for. Merging the two is likely to irritate both groups of users.

I’m not sure where you got the idea of replacing telegram came from, this is more of a replacement for the mailing list / trello.
Telegram is a live chat app it doesn’t replace that one

discourse seems to have history in the same way the mailing list does
but it also has the benefits you get with a forum (sort of like a forum / mailing list hybrid)
In that it separates out the messages into groups, with a fancy web front end for attaching videos / images etc

Soooo you mean kinda exactly like gmail? It separates emails with the same header into conversations? And ‘fancy web front end’ sounds like somthing shiny to lust after. Email can happily cope with links and attachments.

Like I said it’s more like a forum in that you have groups setup before hand instead of relying on subject lines within emails

So for example you might have one group for notifications about Farnell orders, which some would be interested in but others would ignore
You could also subscribe to a group in such a way that you get an email whenever there’s a new message just within that group (or just view it via the web gui)

Or I could filter, highlight, delete and mark as opened emails through an email client. Once again, not exactly revolutionary.

Or not get the emails in the first place, because you might only have an interest in cosplay vs woodwork for example or craft or welding or laser maintenance
Effectively your creating sub-groups that you can just subscribe to independently (or view everything)
My thoughts are if we remove the consideration of mailing everyone with every email, it might encourage more non-telegram messages in different areas where we can maintain history.

Telegram is good for live chat, but it’s history tends to evaporate over time (I think the history only goes as far back as when you joined)
As a way around that there are trello lists currently setup. I see this more of a way of merging trello / the mailing list more than anything else

As another example if you want to see all messages from everywhere, there’s a Latest Tab on the top
This sorts all new messages in chronological order from latest at the top to oldest at the bottom, similar to the current mailing list view under Google Groups

I think the main difference between discourse and a mailing list is it’s filtering ability, using groups and categories instead of the subject line for filtering.

Really this sounds entirely unnecessary to me, and as I said, yet another site to use and check, and to get our users on to. Anything this can do, an email client can do, and would likely have to do all over again for those of us already using that functionality (recoding filters etc). It really sounds like somthing shiny to lust after.

My thoughts are it wouldn’t be something additional, instead it would replace the existing mailing list and possibly trello
I think you could set it up so that any emails inbound to the main mailing list address would just go into an uncatalogued group
But as Bob has said ideally we’d need to setup a demo just to see what it does, to see if there’s any interest

Chris

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 11:39:32 AM UTC+1, badspyro wrote:
To be honest it doesn’t look too different from telegram, and email clients that I use group conversations already (as does google groups I think) - it’s just another site for me to check and log in to, and another tech to bewilder new non-tech members as far as I can see. Where’s the benefit, and is it just somthing new and shiny to lust after?

Thanks,
Chris

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I like the idea of moving to discourse, or at least setting up a test instance of it somewhere to evaluate.

However it would mean switching out a rather large piece of Hackspace infrastructure, with all the inertia that entails.

Best option would be for someone to take the lead on setting up a test instance for everyone to play with, then we can all have a look and see if it’s worth switching across.

-Bob

On 19 Jun 2016 9:23 p.m., “‘garlicbread (Richard)’ via Hackspace Manchester” hac...@googlegroups.com wrote:
Hi All,

One of the things I noticed with oldham hackspace is that they use discourse instead of a mailing list
http://discourse.hackoldham.com/

I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on it / any thoughts if it would be a better alternative to the mailing list here
From what I understand it needs to be installed onto a server to use it (since cloud hosting isn’t free) via docker
and I have no idea what the current hackspace server’s state is in or even if it could be installed

But it appears to have support for emailing out messages
http://discourse.mcneel.com/t/mailing-list-mode-for-discourse/5763
https://blog.discourse.org/2014/04/install-discourse-in-under-30-minutes/

Many Thanks
Richard

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#13

From the POV of a person who wants to continue using the mailing list
purely as a mailing list, nothing would change. Discourse works very well
as a mailing list, and moving across to it would mean we’re not tied to
google if they decide to arbitrarily discontinue google groups (which they
may randomly do, you know what google are like!).

For the rest of us, it would make the mailing list archive a lot nicer -
Being able to arbitrarily spin up subgroups for different topics and tag
topics as being part of them is a killer feature imo - filtering things
like ‘cnc machine stuff’ off into its own ‘forum’, and being able to look
at the history of discussions on that topic without having to keep every
email ever sent to the mailing list would be a good thing IMO.

Additionally, mailing lists can be a little bit over-facing to people who
arent technically minded or dont want loads of emails in their inbox all
the time (and have no idea how to filter them) - discourse has a nice web
UI and mobile apps that make it all feel a lot more familiar to people who
use mobiles as their primary communication devices.On 20 June 2016 at 11:39, Chris Hilliard badspyro@gmail.com wrote:

To be honest it doesn’t look too different from telegram, and email
clients that I use group conversations already (as does google groups I
think) - it’s just another site for me to check and log in to, and another
tech to bewilder new non-tech members as far as I can see. Where’s the
benefit, and is it just somthing new and shiny to lust after?

Thanks,
Chris

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Bob Clough parag0n@ivixor.net wrote:

I like the idea of moving to discourse, or at least setting up a test
instance of it somewhere to evaluate.

However it would mean switching out a rather large piece of Hackspace
infrastructure, with all the inertia that entails.

Best option would be for someone to take the lead on setting up a test
instance for everyone to play with, then we can all have a look and see if
it’s worth switching across.

-Bob
On 19 Jun 2016 9:23 p.m., “‘garlicbread (Richard)’ via Hackspace Manchester” hacman@googlegroups.com wrote:

Hi All,

One of the things I noticed with oldham hackspace is that they use
discourse instead of a mailing list
http://discourse.hackoldham.com/

I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on it / any thoughts if it
would be a better alternative to the mailing list here
From what I understand it needs to be installed onto a server to use it
(since cloud hosting isn’t free) via docker
and I have no idea what the current hackspace server’s state is in or
even if it could be installed

But it appears to have support for emailing out messages
http://discourse.mcneel.com/t/mailing-list-mode-for-discourse/5763
https://blog.discourse.org/2014/04/install-discourse-in-under-30-minutes/

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#14

Really this sounds entirely unnecessary to me, and as I said, yet another
site to use and check, and to get our users on to. Anything this can do, an
email client can do, and would likely have to do all over again for those
of us already using that functionality (recoding filters etc). It really
sounds like somthing shiny to lust after.

I agree. I can access the current conversations via a mail client, the
web, from home, at work and from my phone. I can sort, group and filter
as I please. I can ignore threads I don’t care about. And I can do that
using the same mechanisms I use for the other 100 or so lists that I’m on.

Alan Burlison


#15

OK. Well, for those who wish to have a play discourse is now accessible via list.hacman.org.uk

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On 20/06/2016 16:25, Chris Hilliard wrote:

Really this sounds entirely unnecessary to me, and as I said, yet another
site to use and check, and to get our users on to. Anything this can do, an
email client can do, and would likely have to do all over again for those
of us already using that functionality (recoding filters etc). It really
sounds like somthing shiny to lust after.

I agree. I can access the current conversations via a mail client, the web, from home, at work and from my phone. I can sort, group and filter as I please. I can ignore threads I don’t care about. And I can do that using the same mechanisms I use for the other 100 or so lists that I’m on.


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#16

Not been involved with HACMan for a bit but…On 20 June 2016 11:50:38 BST, Alexander Lang alexanderlang1980@gmail.com wrote:

I also would like to know the benefits. I do struggle with mailing
lists
and clients as it is. To my undying shame I never bothered to truly
learn

  • I’ve always had other things take priority.

Mailing lists can be troublesome for some but if there’s one good thing going it’s that they are universal, because email doesn’t depend on one specific service provider. Discourse and the likes do. I normally suggest that people might be more fairly served by having a mailing list mirrored on Gmane and some other forum like thing that I can’t remember the name of. That way you satisfy the mail, news, and forum folk (maybe, every web forum is different).

Simon


#17

Not been involved with HACMan for a bit but…

I also would like to know the benefits. I do struggle with mailing
lists
and clients as it is. To my undying shame I never bothered to truly
learn

  • I’ve always had other things take priority.

Mailing lists can be troublesome for some but if there’s one good thing
going it’s that they are universal, because email doesn’t depend on one
specific service provider. Discourse and the likes do. I normally
suggest that people might be more fairly served by having a mailing
list mirrored on Gmane and some other forum like thing that I can’t
remember the name of. That way you satisfy the mail, news, and forum
folk (maybe, every web forum is different).

It looks like Discourse can integrate mailing lists, although I’ve only ever seen it by its web form. It might be okay if you can host it. Then again the other mirroring options of Gmane and the thing I still haven’t remembered the name of are free and don’t need you to get extra hosting.


#18

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t: @notquitehere> On 22 Jun 2016, at 00:43, Simon Ward simon+google@bleah.co.uk wrote:

On 22 June 2016 00:10:29 BST, Simon Ward simon+hacman@bleah.co.uk wrote:
Not been involved with HACMan for a bit but…

On 20 June 2016 11:50:38 BST, Alexander Lang alexanderlang1980@gmail.com wrote:

I also would like to know the benefits. I do struggle with mailing
lists
and clients as it is. To my undying shame I never bothered to truly
learn

  • I’ve always had other things take priority.

Mailing lists can be troublesome for some but if there’s one good thing
going it’s that they are universal, because email doesn’t depend on one
specific service provider. Discourse and the likes do. I normally
suggest that people might be more fairly served by having a mailing
list mirrored on Gmane and some other forum like thing that I can’t
remember the name of. That way you satisfy the mail, news, and forum
folk (maybe, every web forum is different).

It looks like Discourse can integrate mailing lists, although I’ve only ever seen it by its web form. It might be okay if you can host it. Then again the other mirroring options of Gmane and the thing I still haven’t remembered the name of are free and don’t need you to get extra hosting.


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#19

Not been involved with HACMan for a bit but…

I also would like to know the benefits. I do struggle with mailing
lists
and clients as it is. To my undying shame I never bothered to truly
learn

  • I’ve always had other things take priority.

Mailing lists can be troublesome for some but if there’s one good thing
going it’s that they are universal, because email doesn’t depend on one
specific service provider. Discourse and the likes do. I normally
suggest that people might be more fairly served by having a mailing
list mirrored on Gmane and some other forum like thing that I can’t
remember the name of. That way you satisfy the mail, news, and forum
folk (maybe, every web forum is different).

It looks like Discourse can integrate mailing lists, although I’ve only
ever seen it by its web form. It might be okay if you can host it. Then
again the other mirroring options of Gmane and the thing I still haven’t
remembered the name of are free and don’t need you to get extra hosting.

I think it’s important to consider that there will be lots of different
people using the current list in different ways
so some might be using gmail to receive mail then filtering it there,
others might be using other combinations of mail clients
Personally I tend to use the google groups web gui, and post / look at
messages from there (so in a way I’m using it a bit like a forum)
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/hacman

With Gmane if it was just a mirror or a backup copy that might be okay, but
on it’s own it doesn’t seem to allow posting messages (you have to use a
mail client). So it seems you’d just be losing functionality compared to
the existing google groups.
Also with a separate forum board you’d end up with 3 different places to
check for messages (the main 2 at the moment seems to be telegram and this
mailing list)
With Discourse it would need to be hosted somewhere on a server, but it
does allow for a lot of clever things while at the same time remaining true
to a mailing list
I’ve put a list of things I’ve spotted so far here

For messages coming out of the system

  • There’s a “Mailing List Mode” in the user preferences that just mails
    out each message to a email address
  • Via the web gui you can select different groups to watch
  • I think there’s a browser notification option where chrome / firefox
    etc probes the site for new messages and shows an icon when new ones are
    picked up

For messages going into the system

  • I think any inbound emails are just processed into an uncatalogued
    group (that’s something to check on) before being forwarded on
  • When writing messages via the web gui, it looks like you can use
    Markdown which is pretty cool, also links such as youtube etc can be set to
    be expanded within the view message on the web client

Many Thanks,
Richard


#20

I now have a way of migrating our old content to list.hacman.org.uk (our discourse instance).

Shall we try using it for a month or so and see if we hate it?

T.