Hey All.
Members have probably seen the results of the election by now, and been as
confused as I was. We have the ballots safe, but the ‘results’ page is
only displaying first preference votes, so probably shouldnt be used.
Turns out the Meek STV voting system we chose works great for big
elections, but totally fails when you only have 15 votes cast. Bugger.
I’ve downloaded the ballot file, and tried running it through a series of
different voting systems through openstv, all of which come to different
conclusions. Bugger #2.
We need to get this resolved and get something sorted in the next couple of
days, there are a few options:
A. A candidate could choose to stand down.
B. We could randomly pick a voting system (roll a dice), there are 10
available in openstv, though some don’t give a valid result.
C. Re-run the whole damn election using a different voting system.
D. Something else.
It also appears that due to a date mix-up, I ended the election 2 days
early. If the 4 members who didn’t get to vote wish to cast a ballot, send
me an email and we’ll figure something out.
All in all, this has been a bit of a clusterfuck. I’m going to bed and
hoping someone else can come up with a solution.
-Bob
I thought it was just not functioning on my phone.
That it didn’t work is a sod. I can’t download the ballots to have a look
at the data but could the results be calculated manually?
If possible it could save the hassle of the other solutions.
I am happy to be one of the people who does the calculation although
another two would be required (to cover everyone).
tamarisk kay
07949 151 100
Boats, bikes and business administration. I’m rarely where you expect me to
be.On 22 Jun 2013 02:07, “Bob Clough” parag0n@ivixor.net wrote:
Hey All.
Members have probably seen the results of the election by now, and been as
confused as I was. We have the ballots safe, but the ‘results’ page is
only displaying first preference votes, so probably shouldnt be used.
Turns out the Meek STV voting system we chose works great for big
elections, but totally fails when you only have 15 votes cast. Bugger.
I’ve downloaded the ballot file, and tried running it through a series of
different voting systems through openstv, all of which come to different
conclusions. Bugger #2.
We need to get this resolved and get something sorted in the next couple
of days, there are a few options:
A. A candidate could choose to stand down.
B. We could randomly pick a voting system (roll a dice), there are 10
available in openstv, though some don’t give a valid result.
C. Re-run the whole damn election using a different voting system.
D. Something else.
It also appears that due to a date mix-up, I ended the election 2 days
early. If the 4 members who didn’t get to vote wish to cast a ballot, send
me an email and we’ll figure something out.
All in all, this has been a bit of a clusterfuck. I’m going to bed and
hoping someone else can come up with a solution.
-Bob
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As far as i know there are 6 board member slots and 6 people running?
if so, then we could just accept all 6…On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 2:07 AM, Bob Clough parag0n@ivixor.net wrote:
Hey All.
Members have probably seen the results of the election by now, and been as
confused as I was. We have the ballots safe, but the ‘results’ page is
only displaying first preference votes, so probably shouldnt be used.
Turns out the Meek STV voting system we chose works great for big
elections, but totally fails when you only have 15 votes cast. Bugger.
I’ve downloaded the ballot file, and tried running it through a series of
different voting systems through openstv, all of which come to different
conclusions. Bugger #2.
We need to get this resolved and get something sorted in the next couple
of days, there are a few options:
A. A candidate could choose to stand down.
B. We could randomly pick a voting system (roll a dice), there are 10
available in openstv, though some don’t give a valid result.
C. Re-run the whole damn election using a different voting system.
D. Something else.
It also appears that due to a date mix-up, I ended the election 2 days
early. If the 4 members who didn’t get to vote wish to cast a ballot, send
me an email and we’ll figure something out.
All in all, this has been a bit of a clusterfuck. I’m going to bed and
hoping someone else can come up with a solution.
-Bob
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Yeah, that’s what the BLT file says, but I thought it was only 5 positions
Another thing we could do is rerun without bob standing and one fewer
position, as clearly he was elected, although we should be able to
work that out from the data we already have.
KimballOn 22 June 2013 09:59, Kathryn Reeve kathryn@binarykitten.com wrote:
As far as i know there are 6 board member slots and 6 people running?
if so, then we could just accept all 6…
On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 2:07 AM, Bob Clough parag0n@ivixor.net wrote:
Hey All.
Members have probably seen the results of the election by now, and been as
confused as I was. We have the ballots safe, but the ‘results’ page is only
displaying first preference votes, so probably shouldnt be used.
Turns out the Meek STV voting system we chose works great for big
elections, but totally fails when you only have 15 votes cast. Bugger.
I’ve downloaded the ballot file, and tried running it through a series of
different voting systems through openstv, all of which come to different
conclusions. Bugger #2.
We need to get this resolved and get something sorted in the next couple
of days, there are a few options:
A. A candidate could choose to stand down.
B. We could randomly pick a voting system (roll a dice), there are 10
available in openstv, though some don’t give a valid result.
C. Re-run the whole damn election using a different voting system.
D. Something else.
It also appears that due to a date mix-up, I ended the election 2 days
early. If the 4 members who didn’t get to vote wish to cast a ballot, send
me an email and we’ll figure something out.
All in all, this has been a bit of a clusterfuck. I’m going to bed and
hoping someone else can come up with a solution.
-Bob
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And if you fix the file and run it on Meek STV, then the results are
Bob, Kat, Alex, Tom, Tamarisk.On 22 June 2013 10:07, Kimball Johnson kimball@bowerham.net wrote:
Yeah, that’s what the BLT file says, but I thought it was only 5 positions
Another thing we could do is rerun without bob standing and one fewer
position, as clearly he was elected, although we should be able to
work that out from the data we already have.
Kimball
On 22 June 2013 09:59, Kathryn Reeve kathryn@binarykitten.com wrote:
As far as i know there are 6 board member slots and 6 people running?
if so, then we could just accept all 6…
On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 2:07 AM, Bob Clough parag0n@ivixor.net wrote:
Hey All.
Members have probably seen the results of the election by now, and been as
confused as I was. We have the ballots safe, but the ‘results’ page is only
displaying first preference votes, so probably shouldnt be used.
Turns out the Meek STV voting system we chose works great for big
elections, but totally fails when you only have 15 votes cast. Bugger.
I’ve downloaded the ballot file, and tried running it through a series of
different voting systems through openstv, all of which come to different
conclusions. Bugger #2.
We need to get this resolved and get something sorted in the next couple
of days, there are a few options:
A. A candidate could choose to stand down.
B. We could randomly pick a voting system (roll a dice), there are 10
available in openstv, though some don’t give a valid result.
C. Re-run the whole damn election using a different voting system.
D. Something else.
It also appears that due to a date mix-up, I ended the election 2 days
early. If the 4 members who didn’t get to vote wish to cast a ballot, send
me an email and we’ll figure something out.
All in all, this has been a bit of a clusterfuck. I’m going to bed and
hoping someone else can come up with a solution.
-Bob
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Working:
Loading ballots from file HackspaceManchesterElections_BoardMembers.blt.
Ballot file contains 6 candidates and 15 ballots.
No candidates have withdrawn.
Ballot file contains 15 non-empty ballots.
Counting votes for Board Members using Meek STV.
6 candidates running for 5 seats.
R|Bob Clough |Kat Reeve |Alex Lang |Tom Bloor |Tamarisk Kay
| | | | |
|--------------±-------------±-------------±-------------±-------------
|Kimball Johnso|Exhausted |Surplus |Threshold
|n | | |
1| 12.000000| 0.000000| 0.000000| 0.000000| 2.000000
| 1.000000| 0.000000| 9.499999| 2.500001
|--------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Count of first choices. Candidate Bob Clough has reached the threshold
| and is elected.
2| 2.500008| 3.958330| 1.583332| 2.374998| 2.791666
| 1.791666| 0.000000| 1.750001| 2.500001
|--------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Count after transferring surplus votes. Keep factors of candidates who
| have exceeded the threshold: Bob Clough, 0.208334. Candidates Kat Reeve
| and Tamarisk Kay have reached the threshold and are elected.
3| 2.543540| 2.552239| 2.488799| 2.488180| 2.761193
| 2.166041| 0.000008| 0.356975| 2.499999
|--------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Count after transferring surplus votes. Keep factors of candidates who
| have exceeded the threshold: Bob Clough, 0.208334; Kat Reeve, 0.631580;
| and Tamarisk Kay, 0.895523.
4| 2.534695| 2.552938| 2.557613| 2.593516| 2.512293
| 2.248939| 0.000006| 0.251055| 2.500000
|--------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Count after transferring surplus votes. Keep factors of candidates who
| have exceeded the threshold: Bob Clough, 0.204768; Kat Reeve, 0.618653;
| and Tamarisk Kay, 0.810812. Candidates Alex Lang and Tom Bloor have
| reached the threshold and are elected.
Winners are Bob Clough, Kat Reeve, Alex Lang, Tom Bloor, and Tamarisk Kay.On 22 June 2013 10:17, Kimball Johnson kimball@bowerham.net wrote:
And if you fix the file and run it on Meek STV, then the results are
Bob, Kat, Alex, Tom, Tamarisk.
On 22 June 2013 10:07, Kimball Johnson kimball@bowerham.net wrote:
Yeah, that’s what the BLT file says, but I thought it was only 5 positions
Another thing we could do is rerun without bob standing and one fewer
position, as clearly he was elected, although we should be able to
work that out from the data we already have.
Kimball
On 22 June 2013 09:59, Kathryn Reeve kathryn@binarykitten.com wrote:
As far as i know there are 6 board member slots and 6 people running?
if so, then we could just accept all 6…
On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 2:07 AM, Bob Clough parag0n@ivixor.net wrote:
Hey All.
Members have probably seen the results of the election by now, and been as
confused as I was. We have the ballots safe, but the ‘results’ page is only
displaying first preference votes, so probably shouldnt be used.
Turns out the Meek STV voting system we chose works great for big
elections, but totally fails when you only have 15 votes cast. Bugger.
I’ve downloaded the ballot file, and tried running it through a series of
different voting systems through openstv, all of which come to different
conclusions. Bugger #2.
We need to get this resolved and get something sorted in the next couple
of days, there are a few options:
A. A candidate could choose to stand down.
B. We could randomly pick a voting system (roll a dice), there are 10
available in openstv, though some don’t give a valid result.
C. Re-run the whole damn election using a different voting system.
D. Something else.
It also appears that due to a date mix-up, I ended the election 2 days
early. If the 4 members who didn’t get to vote wish to cast a ballot, send
me an email and we’ll figure something out.
All in all, this has been a bit of a clusterfuck. I’m going to bed and
hoping someone else can come up with a solution.
-Bob
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