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Hmm without context this isn’t very helpful. What brand was the electronic
cigarette? What kind of battery did it have? Did the battery container have
protection against short circuit? Did the enclosure for the battery have
vent holes in it, to prevent turning the e-cig into a pipe bomb?
If it’s just a photo it’s just scaremongering!On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Alexander Lang <alexanderlang1980@gmail.com wrote:
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Agreed - you would hope that the better brands would have batteries that
were internally short-circuit protected, too.
Interesting illustration of just what can happen when a lithium battery
goes pop, though!On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Charlotte Gore conspiracygore@gmail.comwrote:
Hmm without context this isn’t very helpful. What brand was the electronic
cigarette? What kind of battery did it have? Did the battery container have
protection against short circuit? Did the enclosure for the battery have
vent holes in it, to prevent turning the e-cig into a pipe bomb?If it’s just a photo it’s just scaremongering!
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Alexander Lang < alexanderlang1980@gmail.com> wrote:
I feel justifiably smug!!
Thanks Ben!
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I accept there is no supporting documentation with the photo.
I’m not scaremongering either. I have in work, now tested 17 different
brands of e cigarette. Ten of which had reasonable electronic control of
the charging and discharging of lithium batteries. None of the internal
lithium batteries examined were marked with a manufacturer and no
indication of the level of electronic protection was displayed. Some of
them were internally packed with nails to prevent movement of lithium
battery within the case!
I have also seen issues with lithium batteries being sold by the same
vendor not having the same internal charging electronics but externally
looking exactly the same as other versions that do.
The issue with lithium batteries is that the charging process must be
carefully controlled and monitored. Failure to do this can and often does
cause catastrophic failure of the lithium polymer chemistry as evidenced in
the previous picture.
My only comment is that when using e cigarettes buy from a reputable vendor
who has CE marked their product and has test reports to prove the efficacy
of the testing and that the product is safe also monitor the charging of
the e cig batteries carefully. Do not over charge them or leave them
unattended charging overnight or in your 12V car aux port! If things go
wrong you have time to act responsibly.
In all things in life be careful and have fun.
AlecOn 2 Oct 2013 11:46, “Charlotte Gore” conspiracygore@gmail.com wrote:
Hmm without context this isn’t very helpful. What brand was the electronic
cigarette? What kind of battery did it have? Did the battery container have
protection against short circuit? Did the enclosure for the battery have
vent holes in it, to prevent turning the e-cig into a pipe bomb?If it’s just a photo it’s just scaremongering!
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Alexander Lang < alexanderlang1980@gmail.com> wrote:
I feel justifiably smug!!
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From what I can gather, the ecig only had overcharge protection on the
charger, not the device its self.
It was then plugged in to a non-manufacturer car charger and went POP.
Thanks,
ChrisOn 2 Oct 2013 12:53, “Alexander Lang” alexanderlang1980@gmail.com wrote:
I accept there is no supporting documentation with the photo.
I’m not scaremongering either. I have in work, now tested 17 different
brands of e cigarette. Ten of which had reasonable electronic control of
the charging and discharging of lithium batteries. None of the internal
lithium batteries examined were marked with a manufacturer and no
indication of the level of electronic protection was displayed. Some of
them were internally packed with nails to prevent movement of lithium
battery within the case!I have also seen issues with lithium batteries being sold by the same
vendor not having the same internal charging electronics but externally
looking exactly the same as other versions that do.The issue with lithium batteries is that the charging process must be
carefully controlled and monitored. Failure to do this can and often does
cause catastrophic failure of the lithium polymer chemistry as evidenced in
the previous picture.My only comment is that when using e cigarettes buy from a reputable
vendor who has CE marked their product and has test reports to prove the
efficacy of the testing and that the product is safe also monitor the
charging of the e cig batteries carefully. Do not over charge them or leave
them unattended charging overnight or in your 12V car aux port! If things
go wrong you have time to act responsibly.In all things in life be careful and have fun.
Alec
On 2 Oct 2013 11:46, “Charlotte Gore” conspiracygore@gmail.com wrote:Hmm without context this isn’t very helpful. What brand was the
electronic cigarette? What kind of battery did it have? Did the battery
container have protection against short circuit? Did the enclosure for the
battery have vent holes in it, to prevent turning the e-cig into a pipe
bomb?If it’s just a photo it’s just scaremongering!
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Alexander Lang < alexanderlang1980@gmail.com> wrote:
I feel justifiably smug!!
Thanks Ben!
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That is what we have found…batteries and chargers are not interchangeable
and the USB chargers do not always control the amount of current supplied
to the lipo battery. In my professional opinion either the usb charging
electronics or the internal lipo battery electronics must control the
amount of current used in the charging process and it must be made very
clear to the user to not use any other charger than the one supplied…or
else its likely to go Boom!
As I have stated previously before; Be cool and do cool things…by being
careful and having fun!
AlexOn 2 Oct 2013 13:52, “Chris Hilliard” badspyro@gmail.com wrote:
From what I can gather, the ecig only had overcharge protection on the
charger, not the device its self.It was then plugged in to a non-manufacturer car charger and went POP.
Thanks,
Chris
On 2 Oct 2013 12:53, “Alexander Lang” alexanderlang1980@gmail.com wrote:I accept there is no supporting documentation with the photo.
I’m not scaremongering either. I have in work, now tested 17 different
brands of e cigarette. Ten of which had reasonable electronic control of
the charging and discharging of lithium batteries. None of the internal
lithium batteries examined were marked with a manufacturer and no
indication of the level of electronic protection was displayed. Some of
them were internally packed with nails to prevent movement of lithium
battery within the case!I have also seen issues with lithium batteries being sold by the same
vendor not having the same internal charging electronics but externally
looking exactly the same as other versions that do.The issue with lithium batteries is that the charging process must be
carefully controlled and monitored. Failure to do this can and often does
cause catastrophic failure of the lithium polymer chemistry as evidenced in
the previous picture.My only comment is that when using e cigarettes buy from a reputable
vendor who has CE marked their product and has test reports to prove the
efficacy of the testing and that the product is safe also monitor the
charging of the e cig batteries carefully. Do not over charge them or leave
them unattended charging overnight or in your 12V car aux port! If things
go wrong you have time to act responsibly.In all things in life be careful and have fun.
Alec
On 2 Oct 2013 11:46, “Charlotte Gore” conspiracygore@gmail.com wrote:Hmm without context this isn’t very helpful. What brand was the
electronic cigarette? What kind of battery did it have? Did the battery
container have protection against short circuit? Did the enclosure for the
battery have vent holes in it, to prevent turning the e-cig into a pipe
bomb?If it’s just a photo it’s just scaremongering!
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I feel justifiably smug!!
Thanks Ben!
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