Mailing list dups


#1

I got this twice, with two adjacent Message-Id’s even though I’ve the
settings that Bob suggested.

And can we PLEASE get rid of that £$%%!ing “+” in the Reply-To
field? It’s completely unnecessary as there are perfectly adequate
Messages, References and In-Reply-To fields in the headers. And if the
answer is “you can’t turn it off” then it’s a bug in Discourse and needs
to be logged.

Alan Burlison

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#2

And now?

tamarisk

p: 07949 151 100
e: tamarisk@tamarisk.it
t: @notquitehere


#3

And now?

Dups? No, only the one this time.

Alan Burlison


#4

I would assume that the ‘fucking annoying’ + thing is how discourse deals
with threading (and branches).

Allowing people who use Elm or Pine to completely clear everything out of an
email.

This email was created by starting a new email to the address. Note it
doesn’t even have the same subject line.


#5

Allowing people who use Elm or Pine to completely clear everything out of an
email.

Not sure what you mean there, sorry.

This email was created by starting a new email to the address. Note it
doesn’t even have the same subject line.

Umm, at my end it has exactly the same subject as the others in this thread.

Alan Burlison


#6

I have turned off “send me an email if someone messages me” in your settings Alan. If anyone else is having the same problem in mailing list mode please make sure that all options are off except for “send me email notifications when I am active on the site” as shown below.


#7

I have turned off “send me an email if someone messages me” in your settings Alan. If anyone else is having the same problem in mailing list mode please make sure that all options are off except for “send me email notifications when I am active on the site” as shown below.

Umm, I wasn’t messaged in the dup emails as far as I can tell, and I
haven’t received any dups since, so I’m not quite sure why that’s going
to help…

Alan Burlison


#8

For reference Elm, Pine etc. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elm_(email_client) || https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_(email_client) (CLI Plain text email clients).

I changed the subject, and only linked it to the thread by using the requested email address. The email was made by clicking ‘new’ in outlook 2013, I assume that it rather sensibly rewrites the subject on its end.


#9

For reference Elm, Pine etc.

Yes I know what they are, it’s the bit about ‘clearing out’ that wasn’t
clear.

I changed the subject, and only linked it to the thread by using the
requested email address. The email was made by clicking ‘new’ in
outlook 2013, I assume that it rather sensibly rewrites the subject
on its end.

By ‘It’ I assume you mean Discourse? Doesn’t seem at all sensible to me,
it’s not particularly uncommon to change the email subject in a thread
when it’s drifted.

We were told Discourse was a replacement for mailing lists. It isn’t. It
is forum software with a bad email interface bolted on to it.

Alan Burlison


#10

I changed the subject, and only linked it to the thread by using the
requested email address. The email was made by clicking ‘new’ in
outlook 2013, I assume that it rather sensibly rewrites the subject
on its end.

By ‘It’ I assume you mean Discourse? Doesn’t seem at all sensible to me,
it’s not particularly uncommon to change the email subject in a thread
when it’s drifted.

We were told Discourse was a replacement for mailing lists. It isn’t. It
is forum software with a bad email interface bolted on to it.

I did exactly what you said you had done and hadn’t worked for you, i.e.
changed the subject - but it worked for me. Are we to assume that
Discourse will just pick at random what it is going to do when that
happens? A bit like dup messages - you’ll get them at random and for no
explicable reason?

Alan Burlison


#11

The topic has not changed.


#12

The topic has not changed.

Really?

Alan Burlison

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#13

The topic has not changed.

Really?

It looks like if you send via gmail, what gmail puts in your folder has
the subject changed. No idea if that happens with other email service
providers.

Alan Burlison


#14

And can we PLEASE get rid of that £$%%!ing “+” in the Reply-To
field?

What problem is that causing you?

Usually the age old argument is the misuse of Reply-To in the first place, but you’ve gone for something that really shouldn’t be causing any problems that aren’t just aesthetic! :stuck_out_tongue:

Simon


#15

I would assume that the ‘fucking annoying’ + thing is how discourse
deals with threading (and branches).

That’s what the References and In-Reply-To headers are for. If that’s the purpose the tag in the Reply-To header is serving then it is indeed completely unnecessary.

Allowing people who use Elm or Pine to completely clear everything out
of an
email.

I don’t understand this. What does “clear everything out of an email” mean, and why would you do it?

This email was created by starting a new email to the address.

If I create a new email instead of replying I intend to create a new thread.

Note it doesn’t even have the same subject line.

That’s not visible in the emails I received, it’s still “Re: [HacMan] Mailing list dups”.

As Alan said, sometimes you /want/ to change the subject within a thread, but keep the threading intact. What you say is naturally in response to another post but the course of the conversation has changed.

Simon


#16

What problem is that causing you?

I’m lazy and when I want to start a new thread I just cut+paste the the
list email address from a previous post. I can’t do that with the hex
crap in there because it ends up as a reply to an existing thread.

Plus it unnecessarily duplicates the purpose of existing RFC-defined
header fields.

Alan Burlison


#17

That’s what the References and In-Reply-To headers are for. If that’s
the purpose the tag in the Reply-To header is serving then it is
indeed completely unnecessary.

Yes.

Allowing people who use Elm or Pine to completely clear everything
out of an email.

I don’t understand this. What does "clear everything out of an email"
mean, and why would you do it?

Ditto.

This email was created by starting a new email to the address.

If I create a new email instead of replying I intend to create a new
thread.

Note it doesn’t even have the same subject line.

That’s not visible in the emails I received, it’s still “Re: [HacMan]
Mailing list dups”.

As Alan said, sometimes you /want/ to change the subject within a
thread, but keep the threading intact. What you say is naturally in
response to another post but the course of the conversation has
changed.

Of course if you think your target group is too dumb to cope with
anything other than a web interface and that threads will make their
heads explode as per the wikimedia link you posted, then yes something
that nannies you to the extent of Discourse makes perfect sense.

I hope someone has cut all the mains plugs off everything in the
hackspace as well, in case someone hurts themselves.

Alan Burlison


#18

Visit Topic or reply to this email to respond.

You are receiving this because you enabled mailing list mode.

To unsubscribe from these emails, click here.

So I did, and it appears to have let me unsubscribe Simon from all
hacman emails without being logged in and with no authentication
required whatsoever - someone might like to check if I actually managed
to do the damage to Simon’s account that Discourse seemed happy to agree to.

Unsubscribed!

You have been unsubscribed. To change your email settings visit your
user preferences.

To re-subscribe to Poor email support with Discourse, use the
notification control at the bottom or right of the topic.

What a steaming pile.

Alan Burlison


#19

Visit Topic
or reply to this email to respond.

You are receiving this because you enabled mailing list mode.

To unsubscribe from these emails, click
here
.

So I did, and it appears to have let me unsubscribe Simon from all
hacman emails without being logged in and with no authentication
required whatsoever - someone might like to check if I actually managed
to do the damage to Simon’s account that Discourse seemed happy to agree
to.

Or if it didn’t unsubscribe Simon and unsubscribed me - it isn’t clear
at which point the unsubscribe footer got added, to Simon’s message or
mine - someone could click on the unsubscribe link above and I’ll see
what happens.

Alan Burlison


#20

[unsubscribe stuff]

So I did, and it appears to have let me unsubscribe Simon from all
hacman emails without being logged in and with no authentication
required whatsoever - someone might like to check if I actually
managed
to do the damage to Simon’s account that Discourse seemed happy to
agree to.

Unsubscribed!

Woohoo!

Maybe.

I have already indicated privately that I may remove myself anyway. This is not a good mailing list experience, even compared to Google Groups.

Simon