It’s been discussed that a micro server for the space would be useful.
I have free delivery this month from buyer, and it’s currently £99.98 with
cash back.
http://wiki.hacman.org.uk/Pledges/MicroServer is the pledge
Kimball
It seems like stuff for the space like repairs to the equipment, light
fittings, water heaters, alfred stuff etc. should come out of the
membership money, is there a reason it’s not? Are we just short on
funds right now?
Will.On 11 February 2014 13:57, Kimball Johnson kimball@bowerham.net wrote:
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The rent and bill come from membership, it doesn’t stretch any further atm.
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KimballOn 11 February 2014 14:01, Will Jessop will@willj.net wrote:
It seems like stuff for the space like repairs to the equipment, light
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Why do we need a microserver? Not saying no just it would be nice to have
the case put forward more fully.
To the ignorant What is a microserver, what is its function and how much
will it cost and consume?
Could we not make our own server out of bits we already have? There are
spare towers available…
Cheers
AlexOn 11 Feb 2014 14:05, “Kimball Johnson” kimball@bowerham.net wrote:
The rent and bill come from membership, it doesn’t stretch any further atm.
For the accounts, yes the money should come from the space, pledges can be
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On 11 February 2014 14:01, Will Jessop will@willj.net wrote:
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membership money, is there a reason it’s not? Are we just short on
funds right now?Will.
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The Microservers are small, low power (mine uses 23W at idle) servers with
4 hotswap disk trays. They’re pretty cheap (£200), and currently have a
£100 cashback offer available.
Kimball and I were discussing at the weekend getting one for the space, for
general file storage (datasheets, software, debian / ubuntu proxy), running
some of the stuff that’s currently sat on alfred, a camera proxy, a thin
client server and ldap server for spacenet.
We’ve disposed of most of the towers, but the ones we have use
significantly more power than a microserver would, and dont provide some of
the ‘nicities’ of proper server hardware.On 11 February 2014 14:18, Alexander Lang alexanderlang1980@gmail.comwrote:
Why do we need a microserver? Not saying no just it would be nice to have
the case put forward more fully.To the ignorant What is a microserver, what is its function and how much
will it cost and consume?Could we not make our own server out of bits we already have? There are
spare towers available…Cheers
Alex
On 11 Feb 2014 14:05, “Kimball Johnson” kimball@bowerham.net wrote:The rent and bill come from membership, it doesn’t stretch any further
atm.For the accounts, yes the money should come from the space, pledges can
be considered directed donations.Kimball
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It seems like stuff for the space like repairs to the equipment, light
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funds right now?Will.
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I can put £10 towards this.On 11 February 2014 13:57, Kimball Johnson kimball@bowerham.net wrote:
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Better…I will throw in £20
AlexOn 11 Feb 2014 14:47, “Bob Clough” parag0n@ivixor.net wrote:
The Microservers are small, low power (mine uses 23W at idle) servers with
4 hotswap disk trays. They’re pretty cheap (£200), and currently have a
£100 cashback offer available.Kimball and I were discussing at the weekend getting one for the space,
for general file storage (datasheets, software, debian / ubuntu proxy),
running some of the stuff that’s currently sat on alfred, a camera proxy, a
thin client server and ldap server for spacenet.We’ve disposed of most of the towers, but the ones we have use
significantly more power than a microserver would, and dont provide some of
the ‘nicities’ of proper server hardware.On 11 February 2014 14:18, Alexander Lang alexanderlang1980@gmail.comwrote:
Why do we need a microserver? Not saying no just it would be nice to have
the case put forward more fully.To the ignorant What is a microserver, what is its function and how
much will it cost and consume?Could we not make our own server out of bits we already have? There are
spare towers available…Cheers
Alex
On 11 Feb 2014 14:05, “Kimball Johnson” kimball@bowerham.net wrote:The rent and bill come from membership, it doesn’t stretch any further
atm.For the accounts, yes the money should come from the space, pledges can
be considered directed donations.Kimball
On 11 February 2014 14:01, Will Jessop will@willj.net wrote:
It seems like stuff for the space like repairs to the equipment, light
fittings, water heaters, alfred stuff etc. should come out of the
membership money, is there a reason it’s not? Are we just short on
funds right now?Will.
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It’s been discussed that a micro server for the space would be useful.
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PS, how much disc space is included?
Do we need to get more disc/ram installed at init time?On 11 February 2014 13:57, Kimball Johnson kimball@bowerham.net wrote:
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I will have discs to donate.
KimballOn 11 February 2014 15:23, Ben Dooks bjdooks@googlemail.com wrote:
PS, how much disc space is included?
Do we need to get more disc/ram installed at init time?On 11 February 2014 13:57, Kimball Johnson kimball@bowerham.net wrote:
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We’ve just hit the pledge amount for the microserver, woo!
We’re calling in the pledges now. Please can pledgers transfer their
pledge amount to the hackspace bank account asap with the reference
MICROSERVER, and mark themself as PAID on the wiki.
http://wiki.hacman.org.uk/Pledges/MicroServer
-BobOn 11 February 2014 13:57, Kimball Johnson kimball@bowerham.net wrote:
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Can I just give you £10 tomorrow?On 14 February 2014 16:08, Bob Clough parag0n@ivixor.net wrote:
We’ve just hit the pledge amount for the microserver, woo!
We’re calling in the pledges now. Please can pledgers transfer their
pledge amount to the hackspace bank account asap with the reference
MICROSERVER, and mark themself as PAID on the wiki.http://wiki.hacman.org.uk/Pledges/MicroServer
-Bob
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Can I just give you cash? Balance transfers are a PITA. I’ll be in
Manchester on Monday.On 14 February 2014 16:08, Bob Clough parag0n@ivixor.net wrote:
We’ve just hit the pledge amount for the microserver, woo!
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and mark themself as PAID on the wiki.http://wiki.hacman.org.uk/Pledges/MicroServer
-Bob
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I’ve paid althpugh my bank wouldn’t let me change the reference BR9CUCB
AlexOn 14 Feb 2014 16:35, “Will Jessop” will@willj.net wrote:
Can I just give you cash? Balance transfers are a PITA. I’ll be in
Manchester on Monday.On 14 February 2014 16:08, Bob Clough parag0n@ivixor.net wrote:
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pledge
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and mark themself as PAID on the wiki.http://wiki.hacman.org.uk/Pledges/MicroServer
-Bob
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Won’t let me update the wiki either…grumbleOn 14 Feb 2014 16:55, “Alexander Lang” alexanderlang1980@gmail.com wrote:
I’ve paid althpugh my bank wouldn’t let me change the reference BR9CUCB
Alex
On 14 Feb 2014 16:35, “Will Jessop” will@willj.net wrote:Can I just give you cash? Balance transfers are a PITA. I’ll be in
Manchester on Monday.On 14 February 2014 16:08, Bob Clough parag0n@ivixor.net wrote:
We’ve just hit the pledge amount for the microserver, woo!
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pledge
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MICROSERVER,
and mark themself as PAID on the wiki.http://wiki.hacman.org.uk/Pledges/MicroServer
-Bob
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Why do we need a microserver? Not saying no just it would be nice to have
the case put forward more fully.
I don’t know about anyone else, but I’m generally in favour of running your
own infrastructure wherever that’s possible and not relying upon Google,
etc. There are lots of advantages and of course you get some understanding
of how internet services work and how to install them, which can be a very
useful skill to have.
Why do we need a microserver? Not saying no just it would be nice to have
the case put forward more fully.I don’t know about anyone else, but I’m generally in favour of running your
own infrastructure wherever that’s possible and not relying upon Google,
etc. There are lots of advantages and of course you get some understanding
of how internet services work and how to install them, which can be a very
useful skill to have.
If we wanted to replace Google, we’d be better off doing it with a
virtual server, as having that hosted externally makes more sense for
a public-facing service like a mailing list. Also, we’d need someone
committed to running an external mailing list. It’s quite easy to find
someone willing to move to mailman and run it for a few months, but
I’d want someone to commit to running it for several years.
I’m not against the Microserver, but I don’t think this would be a
good use for it.
I’m currently keeping an eye on the
https://github.com/hyperkitty/hyperkitty hyprekitty
project for eventually moving the mailing list off google, but it would be
more likely to be hosted on the hacman VPS as the space’s internet
connection is sometimes a bit flakey.On 28 February 2014 14:39, Jim MacArthur jim@mode7.co.uk wrote:
On 28 February 2014 14:13, Bob Mottram fuzzgun@gmail.com wrote:
On Tuesday, 11 February 2014 14:18:58 UTC, Alexander Lang wrote:
Why do we need a microserver? Not saying no just it would be nice to
havethe case put forward more fully.
I don’t know about anyone else, but I’m generally in favour of running
your
own infrastructure wherever that’s possible and not relying upon Google,
etc. There are lots of advantages and of course you get some
understanding
of how internet services work and how to install them, which can be a
very
useful skill to have.If we wanted to replace Google, we’d be better off doing it with a
virtual server, as having that hosted externally makes more sense for
a public-facing service like a mailing list. Also, we’d need someone
committed to running an external mailing list. It’s quite easy to find
someone willing to move to mailman and run it for a few months, but
I’d want someone to commit to running it for several years.I’m not against the Microserver, but I don’t think this would be a
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Whilst I remember, I’ve got at least 2x of the 2GB ECC dimms that come with the N54L. Let me know if you guys want any, happy to post up for free.> On 28 Feb 2014, at 14:45, Bob Clough parag0n@ivixor.net wrote:
I’m currently keeping an eye on the https://github.com/hyperkitty/hyperkitty hyprekitty project for eventually moving the mailing list off google, but it would be more likely to be hosted on the hacman VPS as the space’s internet connection is sometimes a bit flakey.
On 28 February 2014 14:39, Jim MacArthur jim@mode7.co.uk wrote:
On 28 February 2014 14:13, Bob Mottram fuzzgun@gmail.com wrote:On Tuesday, 11 February 2014 14:18:58 UTC, Alexander Lang wrote:
Why do we need a microserver? Not saying no just it would be nice to have
the case put forward more fully.I don’t know about anyone else, but I’m generally in favour of running your
own infrastructure wherever that’s possible and not relying upon Google,
etc. There are lots of advantages and of course you get some understanding
of how internet services work and how to install them, which can be a very
useful skill to have.If we wanted to replace Google, we’d be better off doing it with a
virtual server, as having that hosted externally makes more sense for
a public-facing service like a mailing list. Also, we’d need someone
committed to running an external mailing list. It’s quite easy to find
someone willing to move to mailman and run it for a few months, but
I’d want someone to commit to running it for several years.I’m not against the Microserver, but I don’t think this would be a
good use for it.–
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I’m currently keeping an eye on the
https://github.com/hyperkitty/hyperkitty hyprekitty
project for eventually moving the mailing list off google
That’s targeted at Mailman 3, so you could be waiting for a bit. In the meantime you could survive on Mailman 2 with Pipermail, the dated but well known interface to Mailman archives.
To make the list archives more accessible you can get Nabble and Gmane (and maybe MARC and others) to archive the list. Gmane provides a web and news interface to mailing lists. Nabble provides various web-based formats (e.g. threaded tree view, forum-like) based on viewer preference.
Simon