Quick question on LED lighting strips

Hi y’all,

Long time no speak (plenty of lurking, mind). I’ve got a quick question
re. LED light strips that I"m sure one of you clever folks could answer
without batting an eyelid :wink:

I’ve got a run of wall I want to put some ‘mood’ lighting on (read my
better half does) (for example:

http://www.ledhut.co.uk/led-strip-lights/5-meter-smd-led-strip-light-60-led-s-per-meter-warm-white-best-price-on-the-internet.html

Which I intend to couple with an RGB controller (I did consider building my
own with a raspberry Pi or some such, but then I remembered how badly I
suck at electronics :wink: ) and an assoicated driver/transformer, specifically
:

http://www.ledhut.co.uk/led-strip-lights/36-watt-led-transformer-driver.html

My question (thank you, if you’re still with me) is that if the RGB
controller is ‘off’ so the LEDs are ‘off’, which means almost no draw on
the ‘transformer’ will the transformer sit there burning through kWH or is
everything these ‘switch mode’ thingies I keep meaning to try and
learn/understand these days, i.e. do I need to introduce a physical switch
on the 230V side of the wiring, or can I get away with the ‘off’ state on
the 12V side ?

Hope someone can help, thank you!

  • Cj.

In terms of safety you should always have a method of disconnecting the
mains supply. In the event of fire, kids, rain leakage or mean act of god
you need a method of cutting the power. I would have a physical switch on
the 230V side of things. At the very least have a method of yanking the
plug out of the wall.

If the controller is completely off as in there is an isolating switch on
the PSU then the device will draw no power. If the controller is merely no
lighting LEDS it is still on and will draw a small amount of power. Not
shedloads I suspect but some…similar to the power LED on your TV or
sound system.

This would be much easier to explain if you had a diagram!

Hope this made some sense

AlexOn 19 February 2013 22:28, Ciaran ciaranj@gmail.com wrote:

Hi y’all,

Long time no speak (plenty of lurking, mind). I’ve got a quick question
re. LED light strips that I"m sure one of you clever folks could answer
without batting an eyelid :wink:

I’ve got a run of wall I want to put some ‘mood’ lighting on (read my
better half does) (for example:

http://www.ledhut.co.uk/led-strip-lights/5-meter-smd-led-strip-light-60-led-s-per-meter-warm-white-best-price-on-the-internet.html

Which I intend to couple with an RGB controller (I did consider building
my own with a raspberry Pi or some such, but then I remembered how badly I
suck at electronics :wink: ) and an assoicated driver/transformer, specifically
:

http://www.ledhut.co.uk/led-strip-lights/36-watt-led-transformer-driver.html

My question (thank you, if you’re still with me) is that if the RGB
controller is ‘off’ so the LEDs are ‘off’, which means almost no draw on
the ‘transformer’ will the transformer sit there burning through kWH or is
everything these ‘switch mode’ thingies I keep meaning to try and
learn/understand these days, i.e. do I need to introduce a physical switch
on the 230V side of the wiring, or can I get away with the ‘off’ state on
the 12V side ?

Hope someone can help, thank you!

  • Cj.


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In terms of safety you should always have a method of disconnecting the
mains supply. In the event of fire, kids, rain leakage or mean act of god
you need a method of cutting the power. I would have a physical switch on
the 230V side of things. At the very least have a method of yanking the
plug out of the wall.

Oh yes, sorry I’m intending on just plugging a 3-pin into an existing mains
socket, rather than channeling through to the lighting loops :slight_smile:

If the controller is completely off as in there is an isolating switch on
the PSU then the device will draw no power. If the controller is merely no
lighting LEDS it is still on and will draw a small amount of power. Not
shedloads I suspect but some…similar to the power LED on your TV or
sound system.

I suspect the latter since it must have some power to ‘listen/react’ to an
IR signal from the remote control. I guess its just an understanding thing
then, (I’m a software guy;) ) , perhaps I’m just being irrational then, and
should just live with it :wink: (I guess its just in comparison to a 'normal’
light where the switch is either off or on … I can deal with that
(binary you see, good with that)

This would be much easier to explain if you had a diagram!

Haha, presumably I’ve just over-complicated things:

Mains --230V-> Transformer --12V-> RGB Controller/Switch -> LED Strip

:wink:

Hope this made some sense

It did, thank you, I’m fairly convinced I should just not worry about it!

I’ve got a run of wall I want to put some ‘mood’ lighting on (read my
better half does) (for example:

http://www.ledhut.co.uk/led-strip-lights/5-meter-smd-led-strip-light-60-led-s-per-meter-warm-white-best-price-on-the-internet.html

That’s pricy. I got 10m for that sort of money on eBay (UK seller). Have
a care on which you buy, you want to be looking for 5050 LEDs.

Which I intend to couple with an RGB controller

Again, have a look on eBay. Shouldn’t cost more than six or seven quid.

If you’re not in a rush and willing to wait for delivery then you should be
able to get both of these cheaper from China.

Ian.

I’ve got a run of wall I want to put some ‘mood’ lighting on (read my
better half does) (for example:

http://www.ledhut.co.uk/led-strip-lights/5-meter-smd-led-strip-light-60-led-s-per-meter-warm-white-best-price-on-the-internet.html

That’s pricy. I got 10m for that sort of money on eBay (UK seller). Have
a care on which you buy, you want to be looking for 5050 LEDs.

Yeah, it was 5050 I was after, hmm ok I’ve sorta never trusted eBay! I’ll
take a looksy, thank you.

Which I intend to couple with an RGB controller

Again, have a look on eBay. Shouldn’t cost more than six or seven quid.

If you’re not in a rush and willing to wait for delivery then you should
be able to get both of these cheaper from China.

Not in a rush paticularly, but was looking to sort this out over the next
week or so, I’ll try eBay first I think :slight_smile:

Thank you for the help!

I’ve got a run of wall I want to put some ‘mood’ lighting on (read my
better half does) (for example:

http://www.ledhut.co.uk/led-strip-lights/5-meter-smd-led-strip-light-60-led-s-per-meter-warm-white-best-price-on-the-internet.html

That’s pricy. I got 10m for that sort of money on eBay (UK seller). Have
a care on which you buy, you want to be looking for 5050 LEDs.

Yeah, it was 5050 I was after, hmm ok I’ve sorta never trusted eBay! I’ll
take a looksy, thank you.

These are from the seller I used:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10M-flexible-5050-SMD-RGB-LED-Strip-Light-30leds-m-12V-Remote-Controller-LD60B-/170778473897?pt=UK_Home_Garden_Night_Lights_Fairy_Lights&hash=item27c330b5a9

10m of 5050 150 (per 5m) RGB LED strip including an RGB controller for
£25.99. You might want the 300 per 5m.

Check the spec is what you’re after. Some are waterproof, some are
not. Some are 150/5m, some are 300/5m. Same seller also has the RGB
controllers:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/24-Key-LED-RGB-Strip-IR-Remote-Controller-Fernbedienung-Steuerung-LD053-/170854950798?pt=DE_Möbel_Wohnen_Nachtlichter_Lichtsäulen&hash=item27c7bfa78e

Ian.
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Hmm, yes thats exactly what I’m looking for! Out of interest do you happen
to know if there is much draw from leaving the transformer/driver on ‘all
the time’ ?On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Ian Norton i.d.norton@gmail.com wrote:

On 20 February 2013 07:44, Ciaran ciaranj@gmail.com wrote:

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 7:32 AM, Ian Norton i.d.norton@gmail.com wrote:

I’ve got a run of wall I want to put some ‘mood’ lighting on (read my
better half does) (for example:

http://www.ledhut.co.uk/led-strip-lights/5-meter-smd-led-strip-light-60-led-s-per-meter-warm-white-best-price-on-the-internet.html

That’s pricy. I got 10m for that sort of money on eBay (UK seller).
Have

a care on which you buy, you want to be looking for 5050 LEDs.

Yeah, it was 5050 I was after, hmm ok I’ve sorta never trusted eBay! I’ll
take a looksy, thank you.

These are from the seller I used:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10M-flexible-5050-SMD-RGB-LED-Strip-Light-30leds-m-12V-Remote-Controller-LD60B-/170778473897?pt=UK_Home_Garden_Night_Lights_Fairy_Lights&hash=item27c330b5a9

10m of 5050 150 (per 5m) RGB LED strip including an RGB controller for
£25.99. You might want the 300 per 5m.

Check the spec is what you’re after. Some are waterproof, some are
not. Some are 150/5m, some are 300/5m. Same seller also has the RGB
controllers:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/24-Key-LED-RGB-Strip-IR-Remote-Controller-Fernbedienung-Steuerung-LD053-/170854950798?pt=DE_Möbel_Wohnen_Nachtlichter_Lichtsäulen&hash=item27c7bfa78e

Ian.

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)
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(http://www.perlfoundation.org/)
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Hmm, yes thats exactly what I’m looking for! Out of interest do you happen
to know if there is much draw from leaving the transformer/driver on ‘all
the time’ ?

Alex answered this one:

If the controller is completely off as in there is an isolating switch on the PSU then the device will draw no power. If the controller is merely no lighting LEDS it is still on and will draw a small amount of power. Not shedloads I suspect but some…similar to the power LED on your TV or sound system.

I’d agree with that. It would very much depend on what power supply
you use as to how much current it draws whilst idle.

Ian.
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Hmm, yes thats exactly what I’m looking for! Out of interest do you
happen
to know if there is much draw from leaving the transformer/driver on ‘all
the time’ ?

Alex answered this one:

If the controller is completely off as in there is an isolating switch
on the PSU then the device will draw no power. If the controller is merely
no lighting LEDS it is still on and will draw a small amount of power. Not
shedloads I suspect but some…similar to the power LED on your TV or
sound system.

I’d agree with that. It would very much depend on what power supply
you use as to how much current it draws whilst idle.

Indeed Alex did answer it, from a theoretical perspective but I was hoping
you knew from your experience of the strip + controller combination you
purchased :slight_smile: But it seems it is a classic YMMV type issue!

Thank you both for your help!
-cj

To mention that the product shown in the link :-

http://www.ledhut.co.uk/led-strip-lights/5-meter-smd-led-strip-light-60-led-s-per-meter-warm-white-best-price-on-the-internet.html

Appears to be the newer version of this light tape and has twice as many
LEDs as previous one, which is why it might seem that there’s cheaper
versions on eBay. Depends if you’re buying on price or spec.

In the end I purchased this one:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170909849104&var=470200142120which
I think has the same number of LEDs (300 in 5M or 60/M) so it looks
to be very similar, however I cannot really tell these things apart!

I’m definitely buying on price atm for this project, I lack the depth of
knowledge to be doing it on spec !

Thank you !

  • Cj.

As an update, thank you all for your help. The delivery came and it was
exactly (well almost exactly, waterproof version rather than sticky-backed
came) what I was looking for.

Using one of these:
http://www.maplin.co.uk/plug-in-mains-power-and-energy-monitor-38343 I
measured a current of 0.01A when it was ‘off’ from the remote control, and
in ‘full bright, white light’ which I figure to be the worst case it was
pulling 0.4A.

I guess? that means the fully bright version is roughly equivalent to using
a 100W light bulb?

Is the ‘off’ 2.4W worth worrying about …and excuse my lack of knowledge
again but presumably thats 2.4Joules/s, so to work out how much that costs
can I just do: ( 2.4 / 3600000 ) * <price_per_kWH> ?

Or is it all random and I stand no chance of understanding :wink:
-cj.On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Ciaran ciaranj@gmail.com wrote:

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:58 PM, Dave Painter dave.painter@gmail.comwrote:

To mention that the product shown in the link :-

http://www.ledhut.co.uk/led-strip-lights/5-meter-smd-led-strip-light-60-led-s-per-meter-warm-white-best-price-on-the-internet.html

Appears to be the newer version of this light tape and has twice as
many LEDs as previous one, which is why it might seem that there’s cheaper
versions on eBay. Depends if you’re buying on price or spec.

In the end I purchased this one:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170909849104&var=470200142120which I think has the same number of LEDs (300 in 5M or 60/M) so it looks
to be very similar, however I cannot really tell these things apart!

I’m definitely buying on price atm for this project, I lack the depth of
knowledge to be doing it on spec !

Thank you !

  • Cj.

On Wednesday, 20 February 2013 10:14:00 UTC, JavaJunky wrote:

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Ian Norton i.d.n...@gmail.com wrote:

On 20 February 2013 10:07, Ciaran cia...@gmail.com wrote:

Hmm, yes thats exactly what I’m looking for! Out of interest do you
happen
to know if there is much draw from leaving the transformer/driver on
’all
the time’ ?

Alex answered this one:

If the controller is completely off as in there is an isolating
switch on the PSU then the device will draw no power. If the controller is
merely no lighting LEDS it is still on and will draw a small amount of
power. Not shedloads I suspect but some…similar to the power LED on
your TV or sound system.

I’d agree with that. It would very much depend on what power supply
you use as to how much current it draws whilst idle.

Indeed Alex did answer it, from a theoretical perspective but I was
hoping you knew from your experience of the strip + controller combination
you purchased :slight_smile: But it seems it is a classic YMMV type issue!

Thank you both for your help!
-cj


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Ciaran,

You need to measure light output in lumens to compare the efficacy of the
Led light output to a 100W bulb. This is not the same as efficiency.

You unit pulls 400mA at 230v which means it pulls

230 × 0.4 = 98W

Making it a whole 2 watts more efficient! Well done!!!

On a more positive and less sarcastic note it should throw better light
over a larger area and be dimmable, the leds should last longer than a bulb
and in my opinion are cool!

Cheers

Alex
As an update, thank you all for your help. The delivery came and it was
exactly (well almost exactly, waterproof version rather than sticky-backed
came) what I was looking for.

Using one of these:
http://www.maplin.co.uk/plug-in-mains-power-and-energy-monitor-38343 I
measured a current of 0.01A when it was ‘off’ from the remote control, and
in ‘full bright, white light’ which I figure to be the worst case it was
pulling 0.4A.

I guess? that means the fully bright version is roughly equivalent to using
a 100W light bulb?

Is the ‘off’ 2.4W worth worrying about …and excuse my lack of knowledge
again but presumably thats 2.4Joules/s, so to work out how much that costs
can I just do: ( 2.4 / 3600000 ) * <price_per_kWH> ?

Or is it all random and I stand no chance of understanding :wink:
-cj.On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Ciaran ciaranj@gmail.com wrote:

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:58 PM, Dave Painter dave.painter@gmail.comwrote:

To mention that the product shown in the link :-

http://www.ledhut.co.uk/led-strip-lights/5-meter-smd-led-strip-light-60-led-s-per-meter-warm-white-best-price-on-the-internet.html

Appears to be the newer version of this light tape and has twice as
many LEDs as previous one, which is why it might seem that there’s cheaper
versions on eBay. Depends if you’re buying on price or spec.

In the end I purchased this one:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170909849104&var=470200142120which I think has the same number of LEDs (300 in 5M or 60/M) so it looks
to be very similar, however I cannot really tell these things apart!

I’m definitely buying on price atm for this project, I lack the depth of
knowledge to be doing it on spec !

Thank you !

  • Cj.

On Wednesday, 20 February 2013 10:14:00 UTC, JavaJunky wrote:

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Ian Norton i.d.n...@gmail.com wrote:

On 20 February 2013 10:07, Ciaran cia...@gmail.com wrote:

Hmm, yes thats exactly what I’m looking for! Out of interest do you
happen
to know if there is much draw from leaving the transformer/driver on
’all
the time’ ?

Alex answered this one:

If the controller is completely off as in there is an isolating
switch on the PSU then the device will draw no power. If the controller is
merely no lighting LEDS it is still on and will draw a small amount of
power. Not shedloads I suspect but some…similar to the power LED on
your TV or sound system.

I’d agree with that. It would very much depend on what power supply
you use as to how much current it draws whilst idle.

Indeed Alex did answer it, from a theoretical perspective but I was
hoping you knew from your experience of the strip + controller combination
you purchased :slight_smile: But it seems it is a classic YMMV type issue!

Thank you both for your help!
-cj


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Sorry, that should be 92W making it 8 watts better than the 100w
bulb…typo by me sorry

AlexOn 27 Feb 2013 19:52, “Alexander Lang” alexanderlang1980@gmail.com wrote:

Ciaran,

You need to measure light output in lumens to compare the efficacy of the
Led light output to a 100W bulb. This is not the same as efficiency.

You unit pulls 400mA at 230v which means it pulls

230 × 0.4 = 98W

Making it a whole 2 watts more efficient! Well done!!!

On a more positive and less sarcastic note it should throw better light
over a larger area and be dimmable, the leds should last longer than a bulb
and in my opinion are cool!

Cheers

Alex
As an update, thank you all for your help. The delivery came and it was
exactly (well almost exactly, waterproof version rather than sticky-backed
came) what I was looking for.

Using one of these:
http://www.maplin.co.uk/plug-in-mains-power-and-energy-monitor-38343 I
measured a current of 0.01A when it was ‘off’ from the remote control, and
in ‘full bright, white light’ which I figure to be the worst case it was
pulling 0.4A.

I guess? that means the fully bright version is roughly equivalent to
using a 100W light bulb?

Is the ‘off’ 2.4W worth worrying about …and excuse my lack of knowledge
again but presumably thats 2.4Joules/s, so to work out how much that costs
can I just do: ( 2.4 / 3600000 ) * <price_per_kWH> ?

Or is it all random and I stand no chance of understanding :wink:
-cj.

On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Ciaran ciaranj@gmail.com wrote:

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:58 PM, Dave Painter dave.painter@gmail.comwrote:

To mention that the product shown in the link :-

http://www.ledhut.co.uk/led-strip-lights/5-meter-smd-led-strip-light-60-led-s-per-meter-warm-white-best-price-on-the-internet.html

Appears to be the newer version of this light tape and has twice as
many LEDs as previous one, which is why it might seem that there’s cheaper
versions on eBay. Depends if you’re buying on price or spec.

In the end I purchased this one:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170909849104&var=470200142120which I think has the same number of LEDs (300 in 5M or 60/M) so it looks
to be very similar, however I cannot really tell these things apart!

I’m definitely buying on price atm for this project, I lack the depth of
knowledge to be doing it on spec !

Thank you !

  • Cj.

On Wednesday, 20 February 2013 10:14:00 UTC, JavaJunky wrote:

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Ian Norton i.d.n...@gmail.comwrote:

On 20 February 2013 10:07, Ciaran cia...@gmail.com wrote:

Hmm, yes thats exactly what I’m looking for! Out of interest do you
happen
to know if there is much draw from leaving the transformer/driver on
’all
the time’ ?

Alex answered this one:

If the controller is completely off as in there is an isolating
switch on the PSU then the device will draw no power. If the controller is
merely no lighting LEDS it is still on and will draw a small amount of
power. Not shedloads I suspect but some…similar to the power LED on
your TV or sound system.

I’d agree with that. It would very much depend on what power supply
you use as to how much current it draws whilst idle.

Indeed Alex did answer it, from a theoretical perspective but I was
hoping you knew from your experience of the strip + controller combination
you purchased :slight_smile: But it seems it is a classic YMMV type issue!

Thank you both for your help!
-cj


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Ciaran,

You need to measure light output in lumens to compare the efficacy of the
Led light output to a 100W bulb. This is not the same as efficiency.

You unit pulls 400mA at 230v which means it pulls

230 × 0.4 = 98W

Making it a whole 2 watts more efficient! Well done!!!

:wink: Thank you that matches my calculations although the meter was measuring
@ 240V ? I’m not looking to compare relative efficiencies, just cost
equivalence in terms of ‘if I left them both running for the same amount of
time, which costs more’ … not 'which is brightest over that duration too
:slight_smile:

On a more positive and less sarcastic note it should throw better light
over a larger area and be dimmable, the leds should last longer than a bulb
and in my opinion are cool!

:wink: Yes, yes they are… also that was the worst case, the actual setting
I have it (a cool mid-brightness tealy-cyan colour) appears to pull 0.28A